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    Calculating Min Selling Price

    Hi

    Can anyone help please!?

    I need to create a formula that will provide me with a minimum price to sell items to ensure I cover purchase cost & selling fees & generate a set profit margin. The problem I encounter is that some of my fees are a percentage of the selling cost.

    Information:
    Cost price - fixed cost e.g. £30
    VAT - 20% of selling price
    Fees - 7% of selling price
    Shipping - fixed cost e.g. £2
    Profit - 5% after cost & fees are considered

    Any help will be much appreciated!

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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    So are you looking to make 5% of the VAT as well? eg if costs and fees took it to £100 then add 20% VAT to give you total selling price of £120, would you expect to make £5 or £6 profit?
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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    Hi pjwhitfield

    Would be looking to make £6 profit in that case.

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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    One way:

    Row\Col
    B
    C
    D
    G
    2
    Cost
    3
    Direct Cost
    $ 30.00
    4
    Subtotal, Cost
    $ 30.00
    5
    6
    Cost-Based Percentages
    7
    0.00%
    8
    Subtotal, CB%
    0.00%
    9
    10
    Fixed Amounts
    11
    Shipping
    $ 2.00
    12
    Subtotal, FA
    $ 2.00
    13
    14
    Sell-Based Percentages
    15
    Fees
    7.00%
    16
    VAT
    16.67%
    17
    Gross Margin
    5.00%
    18
    Subtotal, SB%
    28.67%
    19
    20
    Sell
    $ 44.86
    C20: =((1+C8) * C4 + C12) / (1 - C18)
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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    Be aware however, you charging a profit on VAT is highly highly wrong and will cause you problems with the Taxman. VAT should be charged on the selling price ie your costs + your markup, not the other way round.

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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    Why would that be? The taxman gets 16.7% of the sell price.

    Row\Col
    B
    C
    D
    E
    F
    G
    2
    Cost
    Check
    3
    Direct Cost
    $ 30.00
    $ 30.00
    4
    Subtotal, Cost
    $ 30.00
    5
    6
    Cost-Based Percentages
    7
    0.00%
    $ -
    E7: =C7 * C3
    8
    Subtotal, CB%
    0.00%
    9
    10
    Fixed Amounts
    11
    Shipping
    $ 2.00
    $ 2.00
    E11: =C11
    12
    Subtotal, FA
    $ 2.00
    13
    14
    Sell-Based Percentages
    15
    Fees
    7.00%
    $ 3.14
    E15: =C15 * $C$20
    16
    VAT
    16.67%
    $ 7.48
    E16: =C16 * $C$20
    17
    Gross Margin
    5.00%
    $ 2.24
    E17: =C17 * $C$20
    18
    Subtotal, SB%
    28.67%
    19
    20
    Sell
    $ 44.86
    $ 44.86
    C20: =(C4 * (1 + C8) + C12) / (1 - C18)
    Last edited by shg; 12-22-2014 at 05:57 PM.

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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    [ERRATA] Original response calculated profit as %cost instead of %price. Red edits show corrections.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3ssp View Post
    I need to create a formula that will provide me with a minimum price to sell items to ensure I cover purchase cost & selling fees & generate a set profit margin.
    [....]
    Information:
    Cost price - fixed cost e.g. 30
    VAT - 20% of selling price
    Fees - 7% of selling price
    Shipping - fixed cost e.g. 2
    Profit - 5% after cost & fees are considered
    Quote Originally Posted by pjwhitfield View Post
    if costs and fees took it to 100 then add 20% VAT to give you total selling price of 120, would you expect to make 5 or 6 profit?
    Quote Originally Posted by r3ssp View Post
    Would be looking to make 6 profit in that case.
    I see nothing wrong with seeking profit on VAT as well as other costs as long as the tax agency gets its 20% of the sales price.

    But I believe it is unusual since VAT is not considered to be a cost of doing business. So your accountant might get his panties in a bunch. And you did say just "cost & fees", not "cost, fees & taxes".

    Be that as it may, if C1 is the fixed cost (30), S1 is the fixed shipping cost (2), F1 is the fees rate (7%), M1 is the profit margin rate (5%), and V1 is the VAT rate (20%), the price in P1 can be calculated by:

    =ROUNDUP((C1+S1)/(1-M1-V1-F1),2)

    Note that because of the denominator, the profit margin rate in M1 must be less than (rounded to 2 percentage decimal places, an arbitrary choice):

    =ROUNDDOWN(1-V1-F1,4)

    To demonstrate, consider the following (formulas in column A are shown on the right):


    A
    B

    1
    47.06
    price =P1
    2
    3.29
    fees =ROUND(P1*F1,2)
    3
    9.41 VAT =ROUND(P1*V1,2)
    4
    2.00 shipping =S1
    5
    61.76 TOTAL
    =SUM(A1:A4)
    6



    7
    47.06 price =A1
    8
    -44.70 cost =-SUM(C1,A2:A4)
    9
    2.36 PROFIT =A7+A8
    10
    5.01% %profit =A9/A7

    Alternatively, if you realize that VAT should not be included in the profit margin, the price in P2 can calculated by:

    =ROUNDUP((C1+S1)/(1-M1-F1),2)

    In that case, the profit margin rate (M1) must be less than:

    =ROUNDDOWN(1-F1,4)

    To demonstrate:


    A
    B

    12
    36.37
    price
    =P2
    13
    2.55 fees =ROUND(A12*F1,2)
    14
    7.27 VAT =ROUND(A12*V1,2)
    15
    2.00 shipping =S1
    16
    48.19 TOTAL =SUM(A12:A15)
    17



    18
    36.37 price =A12
    19
    -34.55 cost =-(C1+A13+A15)
    20
    1.82 PROFIT =A18+A19
    21
    5.00% %profit =A20/A18

    [EDIT] Note: I assume that VAT is not charged against fees. But that depends on local tax laws, which I am not aware of.
    Last edited by joeu2004; 12-24-2014 at 02:21 PM. Reason: errata

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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    as long the tax agency gets its 20% of the sales price.
    16 2/3% of the sell price.

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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    Hi

    Thank you for the all the solutions, apologies for the confusion with the profit on the VAT, I was working my profit margin on the total sale price which included the VAT as all sales are to the end user so pricing is inclusive of VAT.

    I will try to work these answers into my spread sheet I will be back if I have any issues

    Many thanks

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    Hi

    OK I'm still a little confused on this, I'm not able to get this working in the my excel sheet.

    I have attached my excel sheet that I use in order to determine a min sell price.

    How I work it is I enter a value in F6 (sell price) and it gives me a result in G6 (Margin) H6 (% margin) it also returns results in I6 Margin) & J6 (% margin as this warehousing / shipping method has different cost attached.

    When I have a new stock feed that contains 1000's of lines I don't want to waste time on finding a min sell price for each line I want to set a min margin % by entering a value in H6 or J6 and for the sheet to return min sell prices in F6. I need to work in the layout of the attached spreadsheet so I can just paste in 1000's of SKU's & cost prices and the past all the data out to our current software tools.

    Many thanks in advance
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    Re: Calculating Min Selling Price

    I can't relate that worksheet to your original question.

    For any combination of fixed and variable costs like those that you described, the problem reduces to calculating a multiplier and offset. For your first example, multiplying direct cost by 1.4 and adding $2.80 covers shipping, fees, VAT, and 5% gross margin on the sell price. I don't follow the workbook you posted, but there is one pair of such numbers for each venue in which you sell.
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