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  1. #1
    Jon Peltier
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    Re: Linear trendline:wrong equation

    Very nice. Is that what Frenchmen call it, or is that just Microsoft's
    unique translation?

    - Jon
    -------
    Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    Peltier Technical Services
    Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    http://PeltierTech.com/
    _______


    "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:488EE8AA-FC5E-482F-B784-2429873D2F7F@microsoft.com...
    > Jon and Jerry,
    >
    > I've found the XY (Scatter)! In a french version it is called "Nuages de
    > points" (Clouds of dots). Very poetic isn't it?
    >
    > Thanks to both of you.
    >
    > Jan M.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Jon Peltier" wrote:
    >
    >> What Jerry means is don't use a column chart. It is the wrong kind of
    >> chart
    >> to use to show relationships between two variables, even if you are not
    >> trying to generate statistics on it. Rebuild the chart and select one of
    >> the
    >> XY subtypes in step 1 of the chart wizard, or convert the chart using
    >> Chart
    >> Type on the Chart menu. There's no need to mess around with the data
    >> range.
    >>
    >> - Jon
    >> -------
    >> Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    >> Peltier Technical Services
    >> Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    >> http://PeltierTech.com/
    >> _______
    >>
    >> "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:F53C98AA-0D52-4238-B05C-8139A27C7B3E@microsoft.com...
    >> > Jerry,
    >> >
    >> > I think I've figured out what your meant by "xy scatter"!
    >> > I modified my data table the following way and got the right results:
    >> >
    >> > X Y
    >> > 73 6.6
    >> > 74
    >> > 75
    >> > 76
    >> > 77
    >> > 78 5.8
    >> > ... ...
    >> >
    >> > Thanks for your help.
    >> >
    >> > Jan M.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Jerry W. Lewis" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Use an "XY (Scatter)" chart.
    >> >>
    >> >> When you selected a "Line" chart, you (by definition) told Excel that
    >> >> your
    >> >> x-axis was categorical instead of numeric, and that what you provided
    >> >> for
    >> >> the
    >> >> x-axis was a set of category labels that may or may not have numeric
    >> >> values.
    >> >> Why Excel would offer to fit a trendline in that circumstance is a
    >> >> mystery to
    >> >> me, but when it does, it uses x-values of 1,2,3,... and correctly
    >> >> calculates
    >> >> the regression of y against those assumed x-values.
    >> >>
    >> >> Jerry
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jan M." wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> > Hi,
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I created a bar chart in Excel from the following data:
    >> >> >
    >> >> > X Y
    >> >> > 73 6.6
    >> >> > 78 5.7
    >> >> > 86 4.8
    >> >> >
    >> >> > The SLOPE and the INTERCEPT functions returned -0.136 and 16.4448
    >> >> > respectively. The resulting equation is Y = -0.136X + 16.448 which
    >> >> > seems good
    >> >> > enough to me.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Then I added a linear trendline to the chart. Excel displayed the
    >> >> > following
    >> >> > equation: Y = -0.9X + 7.5, R ^2 =1 which is way off (and it's not a
    >> >> > rounding
    >> >> > problem)!!!
    >> >> >
    >> >> > The data seemed farly linear to me, how come Excel can't come up
    >> >> > with
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > right equation???
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Thanks
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Jan M.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>




  2. #2
    Jan M.
    Guest

    Re: Linear trendline:wrong equation

    Jon,

    I can't speak for others, but I'm not aware of anyone calling a graph a
    "cloud"!

    Jan.

    "Jon Peltier" wrote:

    > Very nice. Is that what Frenchmen call it, or is that just Microsoft's
    > unique translation?
    >
    > - Jon
    > -------
    > Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    > Peltier Technical Services
    > Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    > http://PeltierTech.com/
    > _______
    >
    >
    > "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:488EE8AA-FC5E-482F-B784-2429873D2F7F@microsoft.com...
    > > Jon and Jerry,
    > >
    > > I've found the XY (Scatter)! In a french version it is called "Nuages de
    > > points" (Clouds of dots). Very poetic isn't it?
    > >
    > > Thanks to both of you.
    > >
    > > Jan M.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Jon Peltier" wrote:
    > >
    > >> What Jerry means is don't use a column chart. It is the wrong kind of
    > >> chart
    > >> to use to show relationships between two variables, even if you are not
    > >> trying to generate statistics on it. Rebuild the chart and select one of
    > >> the
    > >> XY subtypes in step 1 of the chart wizard, or convert the chart using
    > >> Chart
    > >> Type on the Chart menu. There's no need to mess around with the data
    > >> range.
    > >>
    > >> - Jon
    > >> -------
    > >> Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    > >> Peltier Technical Services
    > >> Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    > >> http://PeltierTech.com/
    > >> _______
    > >>
    > >> "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:F53C98AA-0D52-4238-B05C-8139A27C7B3E@microsoft.com...
    > >> > Jerry,
    > >> >
    > >> > I think I've figured out what your meant by "xy scatter"!
    > >> > I modified my data table the following way and got the right results:
    > >> >
    > >> > X Y
    > >> > 73 6.6
    > >> > 74
    > >> > 75
    > >> > 76
    > >> > 77
    > >> > 78 5.8
    > >> > ... ...
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks for your help.
    > >> >
    > >> > Jan M.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Jerry W. Lewis" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Use an "XY (Scatter)" chart.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> When you selected a "Line" chart, you (by definition) told Excel that
    > >> >> your
    > >> >> x-axis was categorical instead of numeric, and that what you provided
    > >> >> for
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> x-axis was a set of category labels that may or may not have numeric
    > >> >> values.
    > >> >> Why Excel would offer to fit a trendline in that circumstance is a
    > >> >> mystery to
    > >> >> me, but when it does, it uses x-values of 1,2,3,... and correctly
    > >> >> calculates
    > >> >> the regression of y against those assumed x-values.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Jerry
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Jan M." wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > Hi,
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > I created a bar chart in Excel from the following data:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > X Y
    > >> >> > 73 6.6
    > >> >> > 78 5.7
    > >> >> > 86 4.8
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > The SLOPE and the INTERCEPT functions returned -0.136 and 16.4448
    > >> >> > respectively. The resulting equation is Y = -0.136X + 16.448 which
    > >> >> > seems good
    > >> >> > enough to me.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Then I added a linear trendline to the chart. Excel displayed the
    > >> >> > following
    > >> >> > equation: Y = -0.9X + 7.5, R ^2 =1 which is way off (and it's not a
    > >> >> > rounding
    > >> >> > problem)!!!
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > The data seemed farly linear to me, how come Excel can't come up
    > >> >> > with
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> > right equation???
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Thanks
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Jan M.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >


  3. #3
    Jon Peltier
    Guest

    Re: Linear trendline:wrong equation

    What's the word for snow, "neige"? Maybe that's the word they wanted, thing
    flurry instead of scatter.

    - Jon
    -------
    Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    Peltier Technical Services
    Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    http://PeltierTech.com/
    _______

    "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:A3FDEB5D-014D-47CC-BE5F-980441A110DF@microsoft.com...
    > Jon,
    >
    > I can't speak for others, but I'm not aware of anyone calling a graph a
    > "cloud"!
    >
    > Jan.
    >
    > "Jon Peltier" wrote:
    >
    >> Very nice. Is that what Frenchmen call it, or is that just Microsoft's
    >> unique translation?
    >>
    >> - Jon
    >> -------
    >> Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    >> Peltier Technical Services
    >> Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    >> http://PeltierTech.com/
    >> _______
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:488EE8AA-FC5E-482F-B784-2429873D2F7F@microsoft.com...
    >> > Jon and Jerry,
    >> >
    >> > I've found the XY (Scatter)! In a french version it is called "Nuages
    >> > de
    >> > points" (Clouds of dots). Very poetic isn't it?
    >> >
    >> > Thanks to both of you.
    >> >
    >> > Jan M.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Jon Peltier" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> What Jerry means is don't use a column chart. It is the wrong kind of
    >> >> chart
    >> >> to use to show relationships between two variables, even if you are
    >> >> not
    >> >> trying to generate statistics on it. Rebuild the chart and select one
    >> >> of
    >> >> the
    >> >> XY subtypes in step 1 of the chart wizard, or convert the chart using
    >> >> Chart
    >> >> Type on the Chart menu. There's no need to mess around with the data
    >> >> range.
    >> >>
    >> >> - Jon
    >> >> -------
    >> >> Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP
    >> >> Peltier Technical Services
    >> >> Tutorials and Custom Solutions
    >> >> http://PeltierTech.com/
    >> >> _______
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jan M." <JanM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:F53C98AA-0D52-4238-B05C-8139A27C7B3E@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > Jerry,
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I think I've figured out what your meant by "xy scatter"!
    >> >> > I modified my data table the following way and got the right
    >> >> > results:
    >> >> >
    >> >> > X Y
    >> >> > 73 6.6
    >> >> > 74
    >> >> > 75
    >> >> > 76
    >> >> > 77
    >> >> > 78 5.8
    >> >> > ... ...
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Thanks for your help.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Jan M.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Jerry W. Lewis" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> Use an "XY (Scatter)" chart.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> When you selected a "Line" chart, you (by definition) told Excel
    >> >> >> that
    >> >> >> your
    >> >> >> x-axis was categorical instead of numeric, and that what you
    >> >> >> provided
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> x-axis was a set of category labels that may or may not have
    >> >> >> numeric
    >> >> >> values.
    >> >> >> Why Excel would offer to fit a trendline in that circumstance is a
    >> >> >> mystery to
    >> >> >> me, but when it does, it uses x-values of 1,2,3,... and correctly
    >> >> >> calculates
    >> >> >> the regression of y against those assumed x-values.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Jerry
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Jan M." wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > Hi,
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > I created a bar chart in Excel from the following data:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > X Y
    >> >> >> > 73 6.6
    >> >> >> > 78 5.7
    >> >> >> > 86 4.8
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > The SLOPE and the INTERCEPT functions returned -0.136 and 16.4448
    >> >> >> > respectively. The resulting equation is Y = -0.136X + 16.448
    >> >> >> > which
    >> >> >> > seems good
    >> >> >> > enough to me.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Then I added a linear trendline to the chart. Excel displayed the
    >> >> >> > following
    >> >> >> > equation: Y = -0.9X + 7.5, R ^2 =1 which is way off (and it's not
    >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> > rounding
    >> >> >> > problem)!!!
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > The data seemed farly linear to me, how come Excel can't come up
    >> >> >> > with
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > right equation???
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Thanks
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Jan M.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>




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