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    Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Hello All,
    I am trying to create a logarithmic chart in Excel with a data set which I have done here:
    Screenshot 2019-11-13 at 11.15.32.png

    However as you can see there are only lines visible at the major data point nodes. What i'd like to do is make the Y Axis lines on the chart look a bit more like this:
    Screenshot 2019-11-13 at 11.18.13.png

    As you can see, there are a lot more lines spanning the Y Axis so it would be easier to read the data off the chart.

    I have tried a few different ways of playing around with the base and then the major and minor bounds but can't seem to get anything to look like the second image.

    Any help would be appreciated,
    Thank you!

    Example Sheet: Example Sheet.xlsx
    Last edited by lewisnewson; 11-13-2019 at 10:27 AM.

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Hi
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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Hi I'm sorry i'm not sure what you mean,

    Do I need to contribute some points for some help?

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Don't you see a yellow banner indicating how to post a sample sheet?

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Ah right I see yes, so I'll upload the example data sheet with the current chart on it.

    I just need to add additional lines into the chart which I can't show any other example of other than the original screenshot in the post.

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    OK I thought it was a glitch. Many new members tend to ignore it which slows down the help they might get

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Yes sorry, I have just added the sheet to the original post.

    Thank you!

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    After fiddling with the chart in your sample file a few times, I discovered that your minor unit vertical gridlines are formatted to be white. White against the white background of the chart does not show up. I selected the vertical minor unit gridlines and formatted them to be colored black, and they appeared. Is your question as simple as changing the color of those gridlines, or is there more to your question?
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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Ah okay!

    That might be exactly what I needed to do!

    How did you manage to change the colour please?

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    Hi Sorry i've just tried the same and yes that had made the lines appear but I typed an error in my original question sorry!

    what I meant was the lines going down, so the x axis lines (as shown in the second screenshot).

    I've tried changing the colors of those but the major lines it only has one at the far right of the chart and then the minor lines are the others going down so there are no other lines I can select.

    Hope that makes sense

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    I don't know exactly how this will work in your version of Excel. In my version I:

    1) Select the vertical minor unit gridlines. Because they are essentially invisible, I could not select them by pointing and clicking with the mouse, so I
    1a) Select the chart to bring up the Chart tools ribbon.
    1b) In the Format menu, there's a dropdown listing all of the available chart elements. In this dropdown, I select "Horizontal (Value) axis minor gridlines".
    1c) then click on Format Selection (still in the Format menu) which brings up the format dialog.
    2) In the line color section of the dialog, select the appropriate options (Automatic if I want to let Excel choose the color or select a color from the palette if I want to choose the color).

    I don't know exactly how your version will accomplish the same steps, but I expect there are similar tools at your disposal.

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    I see what you mean there, Although I may not have explained my problem well enough.

    What i'm trying to do is get another set of vertical lines in where these circles are:
    Attachment 649523

    So that reading data from the chart is a lot easier. As you can see, the circle on the left would be difficult to try and determine where those data point are so having another smaller 10 lines in there would make reading the data alot easier.

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    I have actually found a YouTube video showing an example of exactly what i'm trying to create called: How to Draw Logarithmic Graph in Excel 2013 (at 2:08 you can see the graph he has created) sorry I can't post links to it.

    so to me it seems like its a problem with the way the data is being put into the chart?

    He is only using X and Y data points whereas I have 3, do you have any suggestion as to how I could potentially get that setup to work?

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Assuming I understand what you are seeing and what you are trying to do, I will try to explain what I see.

    Assuming I found the same youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLXGVlvjzcA ), the big difference I see between his semi-log chart and yours is that his x axis/data spans multiple decades (from 10^0 to 10^5). Your x axis/data spans 1 decade (10^-2 to 10^-1). Excel's logarithmic axes are limited in that (at base 10), it will only show you a maximum of 10 minor units per decade. The youtuber's chart is limited to at most 10 minor units per decade, and your chart is limited to 10 minor units per decade. The only reason his looks better is that his chart shows multiple decades.

    Assuming the real question is, as I've assumed, how to get more divisions per decade, I see two possible approaches. 1) Use a different charting application that has greater flexibility with logarithmic axes or 2) build your own axis/gridlines (from stuff you have lying around the spreadsheet). I have limited experience with 3rd party charting applications, but expect that you could find one (especially if you were willing to pay for it) that would give you greater flexibility. If you decide to go beyond Excel's built in limitations, the technique I would expect to use is the one described here: https://peltiertech.com/reciprocal-chart-axis-scale/ As he notes in the title, he is specifically creating a reciprocal (1/T) axis, but the same technique should easily adapt to your scenario involving a logarithmic axis.

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    Re: Logarithmic Chart with Additional Y Axis

    Okay mate thanks a lot for the information, very useful insight!

    I'll see about trying some other ways before falling back to Photoshop and putting them in myself lol

    Thanks again!

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